1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 Peter? 2 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:02,340 8.20 at the time now. 3 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,940 It was on this day, 1995, when almost every landline phone number changed 4 00:00:07,941 --> 00:00:11,740 forever, as the UK risked running out of numbers for new customers. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,633 Phone Day, as it was known, meant nearly all 6 00:00:14,634 --> 00:00:17,140 of our dialling codes got an extra digit. 7 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:19,648 Our reporter, Graham Satchell, has been looking 8 00:00:19,649 --> 00:00:22,000 through the archives as to when the change came in. 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,840 I think we're on a winner here at three, all right? 10 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:27,680 Play it nice and cool, son. 11 00:00:28,060 --> 00:00:29,500 Nice and cool, you know what I mean? 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,240 It's one to remember. 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,780 All area codes starting O must start 01, from Phone Day, the 16th of April. 14 00:00:38,220 --> 00:00:42,400 Without doubt, the best thing about National Phone Day was the adverts. 15 00:00:43,380 --> 00:00:46,380 Britain had run out of phone numbers for new customers. 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,100 So everyone's number had to change. 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,660 If you got it wrong, this was the message. 18 00:00:52,660 --> 00:00:57,600 BEEPING Please redial, inserting the digit one after the prefix digit O. 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,094 On the day the numbers changed, worried BT 20 00:01:01,095 --> 00:01:03,940 technicians pored over glitching computer screens. 21 00:01:04,540 --> 00:01:08,501 Businesses had to spend almost £3 billion, changing their 22 00:01:08,502 --> 00:01:11,600 company advertising and upgrading their phone systems. 23 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:15,360 BEEPING Some cities got brand-new dialling codes. 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,900 Leeds became 0113, Nottingham, 0115, Bristol, 0117. 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,868 Most simply added a one, so Birmingham went 26 00:01:24,869 --> 00:01:28,741 from 021 to 0121, now rhyming slang for do one. 27 00:01:28,820 --> 00:01:32,320 Liverpool went from 051 to 0151. 28 00:01:32,860 --> 00:01:35,604 BEEPING The old dialling codes had become 29 00:01:35,605 --> 00:01:38,680 much-loved, almost defining signifiers of a city. 30 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:41,660 This Liverpool nightclub resisted the change. 31 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,200 The original code of 051, it's such a beautiful thing. 32 00:01:45,620 --> 00:01:50,500 It's just so authentic, and just for it to hold its own in its original, authentic, 33 00:01:50,620 --> 00:01:54,940 beautiful state of 051, I think just gives it that real Liverpool Scouse feel. 34 00:01:54,941 --> 00:01:57,680 I just don't think we could change it, to be honest. 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,760 The change to all our phone numbers feels like ancient history now. 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,340 A bit like red phone boxes, landlines have become almost obsolete. 37 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,680 I don't think we have a landline any more. 38 00:02:08,820 --> 00:02:11,440 Yeah, I think it's just mobiles now, so, yeah, I don't have one. 39 00:02:11,620 --> 00:02:12,480 Do you think you've got one at all? 40 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:13,860 I'm not sure, I don't think so, no. 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,196 If we do, I haven't used it in ages, so, yeah, I'm not sure. 42 00:02:16,220 --> 00:02:18,260 Do you know your landline number? 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:19,440 I do. 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,020 Yeah, I know I still have a landline phone, but I never ever use it. 45 00:02:23,021 --> 00:02:26,300 Mostly, I have a nice rotary phone, and it's just really pretty. 46 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,886 And it's got the little... Yeah, and she knows how to 47 00:02:28,887 --> 00:02:31,260 use it, and she thinks it's, like, basically history. 48 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,240 My parents mostly use it to call me. 49 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,940 Everything else is just mobile phones, but, yeah, apart from my parents, 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,040 probably nobody else calls me on the landline. 51 00:02:40,260 --> 00:02:43,360 Everyone, like, nowadays, they have, like, their own phone, so they don't 52 00:02:43,361 --> 00:02:46,500 really use, like, the landlines any more, so... 53 00:02:46,501 --> 00:02:48,340 But you still have one in the house, do you? 54 00:02:48,341 --> 00:02:48,520 Yeah. 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,200 Does it ever ring? 56 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:53,140 Not that I heard, but... 57 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,000 I probably is not connected any more. 58 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,580 Do you know your landline number? 59 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:04,920 We no longer have one, but it was 0208-977 -3658. 60 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,076 Amazing, isn't it, how you remember the number? 61 00:03:07,100 --> 00:03:08,200 Yeah, that was... 62 00:03:08,740 --> 00:03:12,840 That has not been in use for ten years, possibly, I think, as long as that. 63 00:03:13,420 --> 00:03:14,620 Grandma, I failed. 64 00:03:15,060 --> 00:03:16,060 You failed? 65 00:03:16,540 --> 00:03:17,720 What do you mean, you failed? 66 00:03:17,980 --> 00:03:21,127 And yet, it wasn't that long ago that the only way 67 00:03:21,128 --> 00:03:24,201 to keep in touch with Grandma was on the landline. 68 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:25,680 Anything else? 69 00:03:26,180 --> 00:03:27,180 Man's sociology. 70 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:28,840 Anology? 71 00:03:29,180 --> 00:03:31,180 It gets anology and it says it's failed. 72 00:03:31,620 --> 00:03:33,860 You get anology, you're a scientist! 73 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,240 The unquestioning support of a grandparent. 74 00:03:36,460 --> 00:03:38,560 Thank goodness some things never change. 75 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,480 Graham's actual BBC news. 76 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:41,940 A lot of them can't see. 77 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,500 So, technology expert Tom Cheesewright with us. 78 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,000 Morning, Tom. 79 00:03:46,020 --> 00:03:46,460 Good morning. 80 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:49,121 There's a lot of nostalgia in there, a lot of fun, 81 00:03:49,122 --> 00:03:51,161 you know, some of the scripts, the comedy shows. 82 00:03:51,860 --> 00:03:52,860 1995, do you remember? 83 00:03:52,940 --> 00:03:54,000 Was it a big deal for you? 84 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:54,440 Do you remember? 85 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:55,656 What do you remember about it? 86 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,500 Yeah, it was a huge deal because your area code, the thing that stuck in your head, 87 00:03:59,580 --> 00:04:01,203 the first thing you dial when you're away from your 88 00:04:01,204 --> 00:04:03,840 folks, whatever, that you dial to get home, changed. 89 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:05,320 And it changed for everybody. 90 00:04:05,321 --> 00:04:08,500 And at the same time, lots of people's phone numbers changed as well. 91 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:10,400 We were just running out of numbers. 92 00:04:10,401 --> 00:04:11,440 We had to create more. 93 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:12,500 We had to add in digits. 94 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,723 So not only did your area code change, actually, for 95 00:04:14,763 --> 00:04:16,900 a lot of people, your phone number changed as well. 96 00:04:16,901 --> 00:04:19,420 Well, you presumably weren't a technology expert then. 97 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,040 I was a bit of a nerd already, if I'm honest. 98 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,420 I was sort of born a nerd. 99 00:04:23,421 --> 00:04:24,280 So did you find it... 100 00:04:24,281 --> 00:04:29,220 I mean, I think a lot of people were kind of confused, just a bit sort of like, 101 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:30,960 oh, I don't know how this is going to work. 102 00:04:31,540 --> 00:04:32,980 Was that the impression at the time? 103 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:33,760 I think so. 104 00:04:33,860 --> 00:04:35,720 I think because it's been so established. 105 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,336 Bear in mind, we started using phone numbers, you 106 00:04:38,337 --> 00:04:41,840 know, back in sort of early 1800s, sorry, late 1800s. 107 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,040 Like early 1900s, it got sort of automated. 108 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,080 So it's a long time these things have been around. 109 00:04:46,081 --> 00:04:47,801 People have had their numbers in their head. 110 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,600 Imagine if you had to change your mobile number now, relearn a new mobile number. 111 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,380 I've had mine for 27 years, I think. 112 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,440 You know, having to change that number that's so embedded in your head, 113 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,560 you can see why it confused people and threw people. 114 00:05:00,940 --> 00:05:02,300 Did it go down well? 115 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,580 I mean, I don't think people got too upset about it in the long run. 116 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:09,580 People understood ultimately that it was necessary. 117 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:12,980 And, you know, it's clearly been proven necessary. 118 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,660 You know, we needed that many numbers at the time. 119 00:05:14,661 --> 00:05:18,480 This is before sort of, you know, mobiles went huge, before we had to add 120 00:05:18,481 --> 00:05:20,266 all these other numbers, before we had the 121 00:05:20,267 --> 00:05:22,320 number of different business lines that we had. 122 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,471 I mean, back then we were dealing with sort of fax 123 00:05:24,472 --> 00:05:26,701 numbers and a few sort of not enough business lines. 124 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:28,300 Do you remember your home phone number? 125 00:05:28,540 --> 00:05:29,540 Yes, absolutely. 126 00:05:29,660 --> 00:05:33,580 But that said, I don't still have it, so... Ah, right, OK. 127 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:36,660 But and like your friends numbers that you used to call. 128 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:39,520 I mean, if they still lived there, I could still probably dial my friend's 129 00:05:39,521 --> 00:05:41,640 parents from when I was about eight, nine years old. 130 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,080 A lot of people were reminiscing about this stuff. 131 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,853 When people used to answer the phone years ago, the 132 00:05:48,854 --> 00:05:52,000 first thing you did was say your own number, wasn't it? 133 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:52,360 Yes. 134 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,653 You'd say, well, my recollection is you'd say a bit of 135 00:05:55,654 --> 00:05:57,896 geography, as in the place you're in, and then the number. 136 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,400 We've had Annie who's messaged in, who says, Annie says, when my aunt and 137 00:06:02,401 --> 00:06:07,040 uncle moved to Cornwall, their phone number was Padstow 391. 138 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,420 She went on to say she's in her 80s, she's had a phone at home in the early 139 00:06:10,421 --> 00:06:12,741 50s, she can remember all the phone numbers over the years. 140 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,200 So that's the only thing you'd say. 141 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:16,256 You'd tell the person phoning who they'd phoned. 142 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:17,280 Yeah, absolutely. 143 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,436 I mean, bear in mind that this started off geographical. 144 00:06:19,460 --> 00:06:21,401 So you would be phoning a local exchange where 145 00:06:21,402 --> 00:06:24,041 someone would connect you to that local number. 146 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,640 And originally there wouldn't be numbers at all, it would just be connect me to 147 00:06:27,641 --> 00:06:29,600 this person and they had to know those people. 148 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:31,662 We only added the numbers when the numbers started to 149 00:06:31,663 --> 00:06:33,821 increase and when you needed to connect people quicker. 150 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:34,780 Tom, you'll like this one. 151 00:06:34,940 --> 00:06:38,320 Alan said his phone number was a party line with a local pub. 152 00:06:38,780 --> 00:06:42,600 So he said we could listen in and talk forbidden but interesting. 153 00:06:43,340 --> 00:06:47,820 He also said their phone had an earth wire leading outside, which sometimes had got 154 00:06:47,821 --> 00:06:52,900 water in it, which we sometimes had to water to get a good connection. 155 00:06:53,460 --> 00:06:55,336 And don't try that at home, that sounds all wrong. 156 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,900 Yeah, no, it totally makes sense, yeah. 157 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:57,660 Do you have a party line? 158 00:06:57,661 --> 00:06:58,776 The connections degrade, yeah. 159 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,800 And a party line where you're sharing the line with other addresses. 160 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:05,200 Yeah, I mean, and this is what technologies help us to overcome, right? 161 00:07:05,420 --> 00:07:09,440 You know, we only have so much infrastructure in the ground, only so many cables. 162 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,254 When we first started making phone calls, you were 163 00:07:12,255 --> 00:07:14,680 physically connected to the person you were speaking to. 164 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,619 You know, the wire was connected from one end to the other, 165 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:21,520 almost like a string and two cans, just on a grand scale. 166 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,500 We've moved a little bit beyond that now. 167 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,840 Made it more exciting when the phone rang. 168 00:07:27,020 --> 00:07:30,454 There was... No, honestly, I can remember the phone ringing 169 00:07:30,455 --> 00:07:33,200 in a house and it being quite an exciting thing to happen. 170 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,760 Because the phone was ringing. 171 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:36,360 Now we just take all these things for granted. 172 00:07:36,361 --> 00:07:38,297 Especially if you thought it was a friend or a special 173 00:07:38,298 --> 00:07:40,301 friend and you didn't want your parents to answer. 174 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,120 Whereas now people don't like talking on the phone. 175 00:07:43,540 --> 00:07:44,420 No, very much so. 176 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:46,500 Your voice notes, messages, texts and everything. 177 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,136 It's like phone calls are unnecessary. 178 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,440 We will do anything to avoid it quite often. 179 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:52,020 Nice to see you, Tom. 180 00:07:52,260 --> 00:07:53,260 Thank you very much. 181 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,060 Morning Live follows us on...